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別拿葉公超當年怎樣答覆立法院來矮化台灣地位

發言人:主權公民Gunner, on Apr/27/2024    10:21:51 (IP code: X.X.218.23)
 主題:別拿葉公超當年怎樣答覆立法院來矮化台灣地位


1952/05/13葉公超答覆那時萬年國會的所謂立法院「中日和約簽訂報告」是和約簽訂後,未生效前。

如所言:然而微妙棘手的國際現狀顯示,福爾摩沙、澎湖並不屬於中華民國...

和約簽訂的目的,是要確認中華民國就是開羅宣言要歸還台灣的那個,而生效光復台灣。

乃因中共此時尚採《中國人民政治協商會議公同綱領》為臨時憲法,類似臨時約法性質。


1952/08/05和約生效;

1954/09/20中共才頒行中華人民共和國憲法,確定其國體為共產國家;

1971/10/25中華民國退出聯合國後,除與之相關,並未損及其他權益,也無偷渡台灣給中共;

1972/09/29和約因日本與中共發表之中日聯合聲明而失效,但已發生的效力與建立的法律地位不變。


1980/06/12日本東京最高法院,駁回台人提告日本國籍上訴案,證實台灣不屬日本;

1996/05/20台灣人以直選總統就職而落實憲法第2條中華民國之主權屬於國民全體;

2009/10/07(美國當地時間6日)阿扁上訴美國軍事法庭案,以無管轄權駁回,證實台灣也不屬美國。

當年兩蔣威權統治,萬年國會的立法院,資訊不透明的年代,壓力下難免模糊,就讓歷史歸歷史吧。

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葉公超答覆當年立法院的全文內容(1952/05/13「中日和約簽訂報告」)如下:

福爾摩沙跟澎湖群島,先前是中國領土,當日本放棄對台主權時,只有中國有權接手。

實質上,我們(中華民國)現在已經掌控這2塊領土;

然而微妙棘手的國際現狀顯示,福爾摩沙、澎湖並不屬於中華民國;

日本也無權單方面,將這些土地主權轉移給我們,即使我們抱持這類(主觀)期望。

「中日和約」內容條款表明,包括法人在內的福爾摩沙、澎湖住民是中國漢人,卻不意味著這些土地必須歸給我們(中華民國)。
 

Record ID: 1714184511   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:按讚啦, on Apr/27/2024    10:35:24 (IP code: X.X.121.73)
 不要矮化台灣?蛤!
妳又幹譙皇民
妳又以福建閩蛆為榮
妳又不準罵支那
妳又........

妳又自稱中國閩蛆
妳路邊尿桶眾人漩
 

Record ID: 1714184511R001   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:按讚啦, on Apr/27/2024    10:38:00 (IP code: X.X.121.73)
 妳是路邊尿統大統派

妳是路邊尿統大統派

妳是路邊尿統大統派

妳是路邊尿統大統派
 

Record ID: 1714184511R002   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:西安以東, on Apr/27/2024    10:52:59 (IP code: X.X.66.145)
 


中華民國就是中華人民共和國 ==> ROC = PRC



http://udn.com/news/story/1/1361358

(請大家注意: 聯合匪報已經刪除這個新聞的庫存!)


孫中山孫女:中華民國就是中華人民共和國

http://news.ltn.com.tw/news/politics/breakingnews/1531906



國父孫女孫穗芳:中華人民共和國就是中華民國

http://www.setn.com/News.aspx?NewsID=110848




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Record ID: 1714184511R003   From: 加拿大

回信 發言人:西安以東, on Apr/27/2024    10:53:53 (IP code: X.X.66.145)
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Record ID: 1714184511R004   From: 加拿大

回信 發言人:西安以東, on Apr/27/2024    10:56:37 (IP code: X.X.66.145)
 如果台灣是中華民國的領土,

那代誌大條了!
代誌大條了!
代誌大條了!

這個非常重要,所以要講三次!

因為 因為 因為

中華民國就是中華人民共和國
中華民國就是中華人民共和國
中華民國就是中華人民共和國

ROC = PRC
 

Record ID: 1714184511R005   From: 加拿大

回信 發言人:西安以東, on Apr/27/2024    10:57:09 (IP code: X.X.66.145)
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Record ID: 1714184511R006   From: 加拿大

回信 發言人:西安以東, on Apr/27/2024    10:58:40 (IP code: X.X.66.145)
 


譚慎格:美未承認台灣是中國的一部分

http://news.ltn.com.tw/news/politics/paper/21309



社論》美國從未承認台灣是中國的一部分

http://talk.ltn.com.tw/article/paper/1062218




2024
 

Record ID: 1714184511R007   From: 加拿大

回信 發言人:西安以東, on Apr/27/2024    11:05:01 (IP code: X.X.66.145)
 


參加國際比賽─例如奧運,
參加國際組織─例如外科協會,楊志良參加的世衛大會

為何不用中華民國?
因為地球上 沒有 中華民國這個國家!

中華民國只是台灣的政治金光黨,
用來壓榨台灣人民血汗錢,
騙錢與權的一說詞─也可以說是工具罷了!

看來,妳這蠢蛋,除了國民匪黨給你的大便外,什麼都不知道!
像你這種人跟精神病患有何區別 ?
你乾脆去死好了!

你的人生只是活在別人給你的騙局中.
死了,至少還不會污染地球!

把中華民國對台灣的所有權狀,拿出來給台灣人看呀,

拿得出來就不是流亡政府,

拿不出來,當然就是流亡政府!

妳這蠢蛋知不知道中華民國外交部長葉公超,
在立法院答覆立委質詢時承認:
『中華民國沒有台灣主權,只有治權而已』嗎?




ROC 1912 to 1949
 

Record ID: 1714184511R008   From: 加拿大

回信 發言人:happy, on Apr/27/2024    18:32:11 (IP code: X.X.140.117)
 gunner China🐷老婊子卡噌康蔣欠低感+老人癡呆+健忘症+老韭菜

>>022主權公民Gunner, on Apr/23/2024 23:00:07 (IP code: X.X.218.247)
>> 019 沒知識,台灣關係法是美國國內法,不是就屬美國。

俄羅斯與台灣關係法,難道台灣也是其一部分?

只要提案哪一個國家,自己訂一個國內法就是一部分,寧非笑話?

要是美國學校這樣教,美國也完了。

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gunner China🐷老婊子卡噌康蔣欠低感+老人癡呆+健忘症+老韭菜

解釋一下
Public Law: United States Federal Public Law No.96–8.制定"Taiwan Relations Act"

怎麼不敢翻譯了🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣笑死~

gunner支那老婊子你愛台灣,我看是愛台灣退休俸吧,呸~不要臉西老搞壞咪阿
 

Record ID: 1714184511R009   From: 不詳

回信 發言人:happy, on Apr/27/2024    18:56:51 (IP code: X.X.140.117)
 gunner China🐷老婊子卡噌康蔣欠低感+老人癡呆+健忘症+老韭菜

https://www.congress.gov/bill/96th-congress/house-bill/2479

Shown Here:
Conference report filed in House (03/24/1979)
(Conference report filed in House, H. Rept. 96-71)
Taiwan Relations Act - Declares it to be the policy of the United States to preserve and promote extensive, close, and friendly commercial, cultural, and other relations between the people of the United States and the people on Taiwan, as well as the people on the China mainland and all other people of the Western Pacific area. Declares that peace and stability in the area are in the political, security, and economic interests of the United States, and are matters of international concern. States that the United States decision to establish diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China rests upon the expectation that the future of Taiwan will be determined by peaceful means and that any effort to determine the future of Taiwan by other than peaceful means, including by boycotts or embargoes is considered a threat to the peace and security of the Western Pacific area and of grave concern to the United States. States that the United States shall provide Taiwan with arms of a defensive character and shall maintain the capacity of the United States to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or social or economic system, of the people of Taiwan.

Reaffirms as a commitment of the United States the preservation of human rights of the people of Taiwan.

Declares that in furtherance of the principle of maintaining peace and stability in the Western Pacific area, the United States shall make available to Taiwan such defense articles and defense services in such quantity as may be necessary to enable Taiwan to maintain a sufficient self-defense capacity as determined by the President and the Congress. Requires such determination of Taiwan's defense needs to be reviewed by United States military authorities in connection with recommendations to the President and the Congress.

Directs the President to inform the Congress promptly of threats to the security or the social or economic system of the people on Taiwan, and any danger to the United States interests arising from such threats. Specifies that the President and the Congress shall determine the appropriate action in response to any such danger.

Stipulates that the absence of diplomatic relations with or recognition of Taiwan shall not affect U.S. laws relating to Taiwan.

Authorizes the President or any department and agency to conduct and carry out programs, transactions, and other relations with respect to the people on Taiwan, including, but not limited to, the performance of services for the United States through contracts with commercial entities in Taiwan, in accordance with applicable laws of the United States.

Stipulates that withdrawal of diplomatic recognition of the Government on Taiwan shall not affect, including actions in all United States courts, the ownership of, or other rights or interests in, real property or other things of value, nor the contractual obligations and debts of the people on Taiwan.

Stipulates that whenever the application or a rule of law of the United States depends upon the law applied on Taiwan or compliance with such law, the law applied by the people on Taiwan shall be considered the applicable law for that purpose.

Prohibits any United States agency, commission, or department from denying an export license application or revoking an existing export license for nuclear exports to the people on Taiwan based on the lack of diplomatic recognition by the United States of the Government of Taiwan.

Permits Taiwan to be treated in the manner specified in the selection system for a separate immigration quota for purposes of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

Allows Taiwan to sue and be sued in courts in the United States, in accordance with United States laws.

翻譯一下台灣人國籍👇
Permits Taiwan to be treated in the manner specified in the selection system for a separate immigration quota for purposes of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

Allows Taiwan to sue and be sued in courts in the United States, in accordance with United States laws.

出生地寫福建 金門人辦美簽遭拒
https://news.tvbs.com.tw/life/171744
為何金門,馬祖人來台灣辦理美簽遭拒因為:金門馬祖人被美國視為"中國人",不是台灣人🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣笑死~


美國國土安全部官方網站👇
An official website of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security

https://www.dhs.gov/visa-waiver-program-requirements
免簽證國家裡:找的到"Republic of China"這個國家?還是使用Taiwan🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣笑死~

gunner支那老婊子你愛台灣,我看是愛台灣退休俸吧,呸~不要臉西老搞壞咪阿
 

Record ID: 1714184511R010   From: 不詳

回信 發言人:happy, on Apr/27/2024    19:09:52 (IP code: X.X.140.117)
 國際主權國家,誰認同? 我貼全文上來~你繼續狡辯~呸! 不要臉西老搞壞咪阿

👇可都是歷史教授認證過的。你算三小還在這GGYY屁一推廢話
ROC forced citizenship on unwary Taiwanese

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2011/01/20/2003493942

The Treaty of Shimonoseki was signed on April 17, 1895, in the Japanese city that lends the treaty its name. It came into effect on May 8 that same year. According to the treaty, Taiwan belonged to Japan, but people living in Taiwan were given the opportunity to choose their nationality by either leaving or staying within two years of the treaty being signed. This ability to choose one’s own nationality is a basic human right.

In the book On Taiwan’s Status and Relations, edited by National Chengchi University history professor Hsueh Hua-yuan (薛化元), it says that the Republic of China (ROC) government announced in January 1946 that the people living in Taiwan had “regained” their status as ROC nationals, which gave rise to diplomatic protests from the UK and the US.

Wang Shih-Chieh (王世杰), who was then minister of foreign affairs, also mentioned this event in a letter to Huang Kuo-shu (黃國書), a Taiwanese legislator at the time.

In the same book, it is stated that the Taiwan Provincial Administrative Executive Office said on Jan. 20, 1946, that the people of Taiwan Province had their Chinese nationality restored as of Oct. 25, 1945, according to an order by the Executive Yuan on Jan. 12, 1946.

The UK foreign ministry sent a communique to the ROC embassy in London on Aug. 31, 1946, saying that although it conceded that Taiwan was under the control of the ROC government, London regretted that it could not accept that Taiwanese had already had their Chinese nationality restored, according to A New Discourse on Taiwan’s Status by former Academia Historica president Lin Man-houng (林滿紅).

In a thesis about the peace treaty, Lin said that the US State Department in a November 1946 memorandum to the ROC government said that it was in full agreement with the UK’s position on this matter.

Official documents from April 19, 1952, that the Japanese government made public said that Taiwanese were to lose their Japanese nationality as soon as the Sino-Japanese Peace Treaty — commonly known as the Treaty of Taipei, which did not enter into force until Aug. 5, 1952 — took effect. Clearly, then, the Taiwanese were forced to accept ROC nationality before the peace treaty had even come into effect. This was not only absurd and unreasonable, it was also in violation of international law.

Former foreign minister George Yeh (葉公超) made an additional remark to the legislature in July 1952 on the Treaty of Taipei: He said that Article 10 of the treaty — on the legal status of the people in Taiwan and Penghu — was not mentioned in the Treaty of San Francisco, but that is was of great importance to the people of Taiwan.

Imposing ROC nationality on Taiwanese without asking their prior consent and without giving them a choice in the matter is clearly in contravention of international legal principles and was done seven years before the Treaty of Taipei was ratified.

Chen Yi-nan is vice convener of Taiwan Society North’s science and technology subcommittee.

gunner支那老婊子你愛台灣,我看是愛台灣退休俸吧,呸~不要臉西老搞壞咪阿
 

Record ID: 1714184511R011   From: 不詳

回信 發言人:主權公民Gunner, on Apr/27/2024    20:19:10 (IP code: X.X.218.23)
 有哪位網友知影這廝哭爸啥洨?! 

Record ID: 1714184511R012   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:西安以東, on Apr/28/2024    00:16:25 (IP code: X.X.66.145)
 


我們台灣人應該了解真實的歷史,請不要被中國共產黨和中國國民黨欺騙才好!




19581006
 

Record ID: 1714184511R013   From: 加拿大

回信 發言人:主權公民Gunner, on Apr/28/2024    08:22:51 (IP code: X.X.165.135)
 補法庭意見2(2)第2段缺失;資料來源:謝鎮寬 譯;Japanese Nationality - 日本國籍日本の國籍,或,Japanese Nationality - 日本國籍日本の國籍,點擊下載PDF
But the Cairo Declaration, which is cited in
the Potsdam Proclamation accepted by Japan on August 14, 1945, provides that the purpose of the Allies is to restore Taiwan to the Republic of China. Therefore, among the signatory states of the Treaty of Peace with Japan, which is the peace treaty based on the
acceptance of the Potsdam Proclamation by Japan, it can be assumed that their tacit understanding was that Taiwan should belong to the Republic of China from the date of the Cairo Declaration.
 

Record ID: 1714184511R014   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:主權公民Gunner, on Apr/28/2024    08:27:21 (IP code: X.X.165.135)
 補法庭意見2(2)第2段缺失;資料來源:謝鎮寬 譯;Japanese Nationality - 日本國籍日本の國籍,點擊下載PDF
But the Cairo Declaration, which is cited in the Potsdam Proclamation accepted by Japan on August 14, 1945, provides that the purpose of the Allies is to restore Taiwan to the Republic of China. Therefore, among the signatory states of the Treaty of Peace with Japan, which is the peace treaty based on the acceptance of the Potsdam Proclamation by Japan, it can be assumed that their tacit understanding was that Taiwan should belong to the Republic of China from the date of the Cairo Declaration.
 

Record ID: 1714184511R015   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:主權公民Gunner, on Apr/28/2024    08:31:31 (IP code: X.X.165.135)
 補法庭意見2(2)第2段缺失;資料來源:謝鎮寬 譯;Japanese Nationality - 日本國籍日本の國籍,點擊下載PDF

But the Cairo Declaration, which is cited in the Potsdam Proclamation accepted by Japan on August 14, 1945, provides that the purpose of the Allies is to restore Taiwan to the Republic of China.

Therefore, among the signatory states of the Treaty of Peace with Japan, which is the peace treaty based on the acceptance of the Potsdam Proclamation by Japan, it can be assumed that their tacit understanding was that Taiwan should belong to the Republic of China from the date of the Cairo Declaration.
 

Record ID: 1714184511R016   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:西安以東, on Apr/28/2024    08:54:31 (IP code: X.X.66.145)
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Record ID: 1714184511R017   From: 加拿大

回信 發言人:西安以東, on Apr/28/2024    08:57:47 (IP code: X.X.66.145)
 



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Record ID: 1714184511R018   From: 加拿大

回信 發言人:主權公民Gunner, on Apr/28/2024    09:15:13 (IP code: X.X.165.135)
 但開羅宣言,於 1945 年 8 月 14 日被波茨坦宣言引述,提供盟軍,意圖將台灣回復給中華民國。因此在與日本簽署,以波茨坦宣言為基礎的和平條約簽約國,可以認為他們的默契是,台灣應該自開羅宣言起,就歸屬中華民國。

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但,日本1945/08/14接受的《波茨坦宣言》引述的《開羅宣言》,給盟軍(作戰)目標為台灣歸還給中華民國。

所以,在簽署與日和平條約國間,基於日本所接受的《波茨坦宣言》,可想其默契為理解台灣應自《開羅宣言》發表之日,便歸屬中華民國。
 

Record ID: 1714184511R019   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:主權公民Gunner, on Apr/28/2024    09:27:26 (IP code: X.X.165.135)
 補法庭意見2(2)第2段缺失;資料來源:謝鎮寬 譯;Japanese Nationality - 日本國籍日本の國籍,點擊下載PDF

But the Cairo Declaration, which is cited in the Potsdam Proclamation accepted by Japan on August 14, 1945, provides that the purpose of the Allies is to restore Taiwan to the Republic of China.

Therefore, among the signatory states of the Treaty of Peace with Japan, which is the peace treaty based on the acceptance of the Potsdam Proclamation by Japan, it can be assumed that their tacit understanding was that Taiwan should belong to the Republic of China from the date of the Cairo Declaration.

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但開羅宣言,於 1945 年 8 月 14 日被波茨坦宣言引述,提供盟軍,意圖將台灣回復給中華民國。

因此在與日本簽署,以波茨坦宣言為基礎的和平條約簽約國,可以認為他們的默契是,台灣應該自開羅宣言起,就歸屬中華民國。

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但,日本1945/08/14接受的《波茨坦宣言》引述的《開羅宣言》,給盟軍(作戰)目標為台灣歸還給中華民國。

所以,在簽署與日和平條約國間,基於日本所接受的《波茨坦宣言》,可想其默契為理解台灣應自《開羅宣言》發表之日,便歸屬中華民國。


所以日本1945/08/14接受《波茨坦宣言》便是同意1943/12/01《開羅宣言》將台灣歸還中華民國。

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